Jindabyne training camp

[milto]

Hi All

Well the last couple of years I have run a 3 day training camp in Jindabyne on the Canberra day long weekend in March. Lots of fun has been had as well as lot's of K's and some hills as well.

This post is to ask who might be keen to come along. We usually ride some of the biggest hills in the country. It is also a great way to start training for the Canberra Tour.

Put a post up if you are keen to come along.

At this stage I am not sure about my availability for it, Canada is calling me. Anyway if you are keen enough to organise it too let me know.

Thanks
MM

[gsavage]

Milto,

I would give it a go, but couldn't confirm until my access arrangements for my kids are confirmed for the new year. If I am available I am willing to help organise things. :)

[anla]

i am definitly keen. started riding with vikings like a week after you guys went this yr and have been keen for it ever since

[Frances]

Ohhh Caaaaa-na-daaaaar

Think I'm keen too. For Jindy, that is...

[Andrew]

Sounds like fun.. I need all the training I can get =]

[Etienne1989]

i would be definitely interested in attending, i love climbing...

[Hoops]

I had a sweet time last year and definitely keen to see my old mate Tom again.

[tor.lattimore]

I'm keen too.

[j_young_80]

Remember that time I beat Hoops up Tom Groggin and Charlottes? Alas, I feel that will not be happening again.

I am however the 3rd time champion of the weekend challenges, meaning that all the hills are now named after me.

[Ross]

Me too.

[lovetoride]

keen again if an old fartess is welcome

[Shridevi]

I would also like to come again. im also speaking for croiagh as i can sence she would love to come too (she actully does want to come im not making it up) watchout we have been practising our pictunary skills all year

[j_young_80]

This year we will hold a spelling bee instead!

[Frances]

:) Heh heh heh.

[Hoops]

Remember that time I beat Hoops up Tom Groggin and Charlottes? Alas, I feel that will not be happening again.


Haha, I actually gave myself a massive high five for finishing within 6mins of you on both climbs......embarrassing.

[mikeyc]

Tack on! I'm in.

[mikeyc]

Tack on! I'm in.

[Steven]

Hello folks!

Vikings and friends are now booked at the Bungarra Alpine Centre (http://www.bungarra.com.au/) for the Canberra Day weekend training camp, 6-8 March.

Cost is $80 per person, same as last year. Accommodation is comfortable bunk-room style with plenty of space to spread out and a great kitchen (just note this isn't a B&B).

We can go with the same itinerary as last year, or if you have ideas for something different post them here or PM me. I'll post a final itinerary when we've settled on the details.

I expect some of us will want to cycle down, while others drive. Post here if you're driving and can help with transportation of people/bags/bikes.

It should be a pretty rad weekend - this area has some of the best climbs in the country and Viking are a pretty fun crew. Riders of all abilities are welcome, although for insurance reasons you must be a CA member through Vikings or another club.

Send me a PM if you're keen to go so we can sort out the dollars.

[MatthewL]

I'm a definite maybe!!

[Simonsky]

I might come if I can get access to the track at the NSW sport facility's cycle track for some track training. Will need to train for the Masters Track Nationals.

[Rocket]

Would it be OK for me to join in on this?

[Ross]

Of course you can come Russell!

Will this be part of the 2010 inaugural Fox Young Challenge?!

[Steven]

Most definitely!

Simon I reckon it'd be great to have an optional half-day session at the track while we're there. What are the chances of getting some group access?

[milto]

Steve in the past we have just dropped in and used it. There is usually nobody around on the weekends. I think this is the best way to do it.

[Steven]

Even better :)

Folks - it'd be great to have all our dollars ready to go in the next fortnight; I'm following up via PM with those of you who posted here. I'd prefer to email you offline with bank details for transfers, but can make arrangements for cash or cheque if need be.

[milto]

Hi Steve

I am keen to come but it will be a couple of weeks before I can work out if I can make it.

How are the numbers looking?

MM

[Rocket]

Will this be part of the 2010 inaugural Fox Young Challenge?!

We could do that, but to call a competition with Mr Young a challenge is a gross over statement.

[Jez]

I'll be going this year,...... for sure,... not sure on transport yet, but will be going :)

[Steven]

Hi Steve

I am keen to come but it will be a couple of weeks before I can work out if I can make it.

How are the numbers looking?

MM

Great! Let me know how it pans out. We're looking like a dozen so far.

I'll put the word out to the BCers too. Although it's somewhat galling to even consider them ;)

[dadcram]

I may be in. What's the deal this year? Anyone going MTBing this year?

[milto]

Daz. I don't have confirmed leave yet but I was talking to a friend of mine while riding sparrow today about a Dead horse to the Pinch. Long ride, firetrail but some pretty steep stuff. More water bars than you can count. The Pinch is about 50km from Jindy along the barry way.

Don't know if anybody else is in though.

[Steven]

I guess it depends on transport. We need enough rackage for at least one road bike per person. Beyond that people may want to bring a MTB or track bike, I guess.

[Bean]

Daz. I don't have confirmed leave yet but I was talking to a friend of mine while riding sparrow today about a Dead horse to the Pinch. Long ride, firetrail but some pretty steep stuff. More water bars than you can count. The Pinch is about 50km from Jindy along the barry way.

Don't know if anybody else is in though.

Yep, that's for Daz. I can't understand a word of it.

[Hoops]

For those that haven't been to Jindabyne, it's a top weekend.

Last year we rode Charlottes Pass return on day one. Recovery (smashfest) ride/MTB on day two, followed by a track night which consisted of; points race, team sprint, individual pursuit, and individual sprint. Day 3 had us riding up Groggin.

There were some shattered souls by the end but fantastic fun.

I posted the profiles for the climbs last year and I think we had a handful of people pull out at late notice. Despite the risk I'll do the same again for the uneducated among us.

http://www.mapmyride.com/route/au/jindabyne/510039257693
425

http://www.mapmyride.com/route/au/jindabyne/222071978874
426

[Avi]

Holy moly!!!

14kms of horror.

[SimonD]

I'll do Charlotte's on a fixie. i might need a lift back down though.

[Etienne1989]

Is it weird if im kinda excited about this now after seeing the profile for the climbs?

[Andrew]

Daryl/Milto: I'm keen for some MTB love!


edit

Holy moly!!!

14kms of horror.

uh?

[Hoops]

That profile doesn't do it justice if you ask me.

424

[Avi]

Far out, thats like doing tawonga gap at double the grade, twice. Looks like i will lose a fair bit of weight in time for it though, judging by how much I'm sh!ting myself atm.

[j_young_80]

Looks like i will lose a fair bit of weight in time for it though

And judging by your efforts in the porcelain Crit on Friday eh?

[Avi]

I wouldnt say 'in'....

[dadcram]

"Darryl" says: any idea of cost yet? That's 2 rr's!
Daryl Hannah has just the one R!

[j_young_80]

I wouldnt say 'in'....

Julz will run you through correct ralphing, I mean racing line tomorrow.

[saml]

Is it weird if im kinda excited about this now after seeing the profile for the climbs?

No. I got that as well - should be fun.

[Jez]

Payment on the way :)

[Hoops]

Paid up.

[Hoops]

Do we get the premo cabin with the; table tennis table, pool table, and two dogs? Or have we been moved on due to numbers?

[Steven]

Do we get the premo cabin with the; table tennis table, pool table, and two dogs? Or have we been moved on due to numbers?

Are you there for the training, or is this some kind of vacation for you?
:laugh:

[j_young_80]

I could do without the two dogs, and potentially the euro wasps but the other items are essential.

[SueP]

Is it to late to be a maybe?
I can confirm next week after I've talked to my coach and mapped out my program to worlds.

[Ross]

Paid

[Simonsky]

I'm still keen on this. So is Kersty, but she doesn't do dorm accommodation. Is there any private room accom at the lodge? If not, we'll stay nearby.

Also, I will have to do some track training up there. I was thinking of bringing my spare bike for anyone else who wants to come along and try a track bike out. (so long as they fit a 56cm frame). If there are others interested we could look at doing a set introduction to track session and I'll see if I can line up a couple of other bikes of different sizes.

Cheers

SimonN

[LynV]

I'm still keen on this. So is Kersty, but she doesn't do dorm accommodation. Is there any private room accom at the lodge? If not, we'll stay nearby.

Also, I will have to do some track training up there. I was thinking of bringing my spare bike for anyone else who wants to come along and try a track bike out. (so long as they fit a 56cm frame). If there are others interested we could look at doing a set introduction to track session and I'll see if I can line up a couple of other bikes of different sizes.

Cheers

SimonN

Hey Simon, there is at least one regular room, which I'm sure you'll be able to bagz, wouldn't he Steven?

And great idea to try a crazy track bike, count me in.

[Steven]

Simon, I'll ask the manager about the possibility of a private room and get back to you.

Personally I'm fine with dorm accommodation as long as I don't have to bunk with Jamie "Blown Pooper Valve" Young. Try sleeping through that racket.

[SimonD]

The priority for the small room is usually given to a family with kid/s, though.

[Steven]

Good point, so far no families have booked though.

[LynV]

Beware the midnight pickshunery :naughty:

[Bean]

I've been half-hearted about this and thinking of bringing the family. However, upon discussion the boss doesn't want to come and be lumped with the kids while I go off riding... a task I'd probably not want to burden my worst enemy with!! Steve, is there a date you need final decisions by??

[Steven]

I'd like to have all accommodation fees in by this weekend.

Also:
:naughty:

Best. Smilie. Ever.

[Simonsky]

Don't worry too much about holding the family room for me. Because I'll be deserting Kersty for riding (though she might come on a couple) I'm giving her the option of staying where she wants to. I suspect her choice is going to cost :(

Sounds like there could be some enthusiasm for a track tryout session. The track up there is perfect for that (i.e. not scary, like the Bundadome). If we do this it might be a good idea to work something out formally with the NSW facility for us to use it. No?

[milto]

I will try and give my contact there a call and sus it out. I suspect if we run it past them they will want to charge us the rental fee which will not be cheap.

MM

[SueP]

Count me in for the weekend. Need to find some road legs....

I'll fix you up tonight Steven.

[milto]

So I had a quick chat to them. They stress the need to know who is on site because they have kids camps etc.. in residence.

They are happy to bill people after the event once you confirm numbers.

Cycling track cost is $5.30 or you can pay $14 for the indoor gym with basketball and outdoor tennis courts etc..

Contact
Karen.white@communities.nsw.gov.au to let her know when you will be there and approx numbers.

[j_young_80]

as long as I don't have to bunk with Jamie "Blown Pooper Valve" Young.

I think Tor and Julz share your sentiments.

[Steven]

So I had a quick chat to them. They stress the need to know who is on site because they have kids camps etc.. in residence.

They are happy to bill people after the event once you confirm numbers.

Cycling track cost is $5.30 or you can pay $14 for the indoor gym with basketball and outdoor tennis courts etc..

Contact
Karen.white@communities.nsw.gov.au to let her know when you will be there and approx numbers.

Thanks for following that up. Seems a very reasonable price to have a legitimate booking.

Show of hands for interest in a track session while we're down there?

I'm in.

[Andrew]

ok. I'm in

[Hoops]

I wonder if the wimpy scorpion has toughened up over the last year and is gunning for revenge after last year's trauma.

Track night was pretty good last year and it'd be a shame to see it removed from the program.

[Etienne1989]

im in for the track session

[Shridevi]

Im also in for a track sesh!!!

[saml]

Count me in for the track session.

[Simonsky]

OK, the track option is sounding popular. Hold tight. I'll ask around to see what bikes I might be able to access...

...and I found out tonight that I might have to go to Sydney on the Monday for team pursuit training. But I could still come down for Sat and part of Sunday.

Let's see if we can get access to the track and some track bikes before making a final call.

Given the popularity of the idea, if this doesn't come off, how about we have a track try out day for Vikings in Canberra soon? We could either do it at the Bundadome (it only looks scary! and you can ride around on the duck board at the bottom which is flat) or the Queanbeyan, which is a flat track.

Cheers

SimonN

[Andrew]

Given the popularity of the idea, if this doesn't come off, how about we have a track try out day for Vikings in Canberra soon?

How about we do that as well? I like the idea of having a shot at other disciplines of cycling :D

[Simonsky]

Let's do that!

[milto]

Track bikes are great but maybe we should save them for the Canberra try out rather than trying to get all the extra bikes down there.

In the past we have selected a gear and not allowed people to change. It is usually a cog smaller for people with compact cranksets.

[Hoops]

Track bikes are great but maybe we should save them for the Canberra try out rather than trying to get all the extra bikes down there.

In the past we have selected a gear and not allowed people to change. It is usually a cog smaller for people with compact cranksets.

Agreed, and it worked a treat last year.

Also that track doesn't seem too safe to be motoring at 50km/h without brakes. The banks would be 1-2% grade? Surely not well equipped enough to wipe off speed and escape danger.

[dadcram]

http://au.srichinmoyraces.org/events/jindabyne

[Steven]

http://au.srichinmoyraces.org/events/jindabyne

A bit off-topic, is this what you're planning to do instead of the camp Daz?

[Jez]

Steven,
PM sent,.... I am coming to this, I have organised a leave pass for the weekend,.. and I have a car,.so I can help out with transport of bikes gear people,.... or anything else! :)

[Simonsky]

Agreed, and it worked a treat last year.

Also that track doesn't seem too safe to be motoring at 50km/h without brakes. The banks would be 1-2% grade? Surely not well equipped enough to wipe off speed and escape danger.

OK, let's hold the track session off for a day in Canberra. Much easier in terms of organising bikes as well.

It looks like I have to go to Sydney for training anyhoo that weekend, but will be up there riding with you all if that doesn't happen.

Cheers

SimonN

[Steven]

Steven,
PM sent,.... I am coming to this, I have organised a leave pass for the weekend,.. and I have a car,.so I can help out with transport of bikes gear people,.... or anything else! :)

Sweet action! :thumbup:

Disappointed that we seem to be piking the track session ... folding like a BC leadout ... c'est la vie.

[Hoops]

I thought there seemed to be overwhelming support for the track?

It's the place where the trash talk comes alive after a few arvo brewskies.

[Steven]

I'm thinking a few of my shop fixies could be made available.

[lovetoride]

Highly recommend the track component as was done last year - selecting and staying with the one gear. Awesome fun.

Unforunately I am now not coming because 1. still do not have replacement bike frame (so will be struggling even if it comes in soonish) and 2. due to this have now agreed to do my duty on a ski lodge work party in Jindy on same w/e.

Enjoy Tom!

[Etienne1989]

i would need a lift to get down there, and back if anyone who is driving down has any free spots.

[Steven]

Here's the list of those who are booked in:

Russell Fox
Andrew Thaller
Etienne Blumstein Jones
Sam Lewin
Oliver Thearle
Mike Christopherson
Robert Summers
Shridevi Vasudeva
Lyn Vasudeva
Avi
Leigh Taylor
Ross MacPherson
Ingrid Kimber
Andrew Lake
Steven Callahan
Sue Powell
Sam Sautell & family
Tom Behrens
Tor Lattimore
Jeremy Caesar


If you haven't paid, you're not booked. I'll keep updating this list as payments roll in.

Remember:

Participants must be a VCC or other CA member for insurance reasons.
Juniors 15 years and over are welcome, but contact me for some other rules that have been set by the Committee.
Cost is $80 for accommodation, preferably by bank transfer (but can arrange other payments).
PM me with your email address so I can send you the account details offline.
Please pay by Friday, 26 February.


No internet transfers accepted after this weekend! You can still squeak in by paying cash directly to me at my office in Civic or at my home in O'Connor, no later than next Wednesday, 3 March.

Cheers

[Steven]

Now is also time to start organising our transportation and meals.

If you have a car, please post here with how many passengers and how many bikes you can carry.

Also post here if you have suggestions, preferences or offers to cook a meal.

Thanks!

[Hoops]

Are we still doing the share-a-meal thingy? This year I plan to top my burnt sandwiches from last year.

[mikeyc]

From memory last year it went something like this; take care of your own breakfasts and lunches. Saturday night we did a shared dinner, 6 or 7 cooks in the kitchen which worked well. Some did mains and some did deserts. Can't remember what we did for Sunday night? Either we ate out or did another shared dinner? Monday night we were all back in Canberra at home past out by 6pm. I would be keen to offer a meal again on either night.

[j_young_80]

Sunday was leftovers I think.

I am crushed that I may not be able to defend my 3 year reign of victory over the Jindy camp. I may still be there to knock Taylor into shape over Charlottes though.

[Hoops]

We ate at a pub on the Friday as well.

[Simonsky]

Apologies Steve

I will be in Sydney track training all weekend now.

We'll organise an intro track session at the velodrome, or somewhere a bit less intimidating, soon.

Cheers

SimonN

[SueP]

In za blue Subaru

Sue + bike
Mikey + bike
SamL + bike (to be confirmed)

leaving Friday lunchtimeish... negotiable
return Monday PM...

[mikeyc]

I am happy to either drive or be driven.

My car - can take 3 people, 3 bikes (including myself and my bike)

Flexible time-wise.

I'm lookin for a ride Sue if you're offering? One bike, two bags and a pillow. Thinkin I'll take Friday off so could leave anytime.

[saml]

What time were you planning on leaving Sue?
Can I pencil in the remaining seat - will have to see if work will let me have part of Friday off first (will confirm tomorrow)?

[SueP]

No worries SamL - your pencilled in.

Thinking of leaving around 12-1 ish but as I said, reasonably flexible. I live in Melba so pretty much any where is on the way from my place - let me know best pickup (home or work).

If I can get organised I'll precook something (ie curry or similar) to chip in for dinner one night.

[So_Far]

I'm also looking for a lift for myself, bike and bits. Not sure when I'll be allowed to nick off from work, but anyone with space willing to help will recieve due compensation (food/brew/leadout etc). Cheers in advance,
Rob

[Jez]

I am driving down, at the moment due to work, Saturday morning. However if I get back early in te week I can head down on Friday, late afternoon or night. I hav room for bikes, gear and 1 or 2 people. Depends if my rear seats need to come out or not.

[tom]

im not sure if this has been posted but i havent noticed (and cant be bothered trawling through 10 pages to check), but what is the estimated schedule for the weekend. ie rides we'll be doing, what day and approx time.

[Steven]

DAY 1: Charlottes Pass return, about 900m/43km (86km return)
DAY 2: Recovery ride followed by an evening track session
DAY 3: Tom Groggin 800m/60km (120km return)

[Jez]

is there a generic shopping list in this thread somewhere, on what to bring along,... what food and water?

[Shridevi]

is there a generic shopping list in this thread somewhere, on what to bring along,... what food and water?


Im pretty sure they have taps that provide water...

[j_young_80]

http://blog.mrhacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/oh-snap-chart.jpg

[Jez]

well thats the water sorted,.....now for food,.... hrrmm,......ill just make it up as I go along! :)

[Ross]

is there a generic shopping list in this thread somewhere, on what to bring along,... what food and water?

I tend to go over prepared but there's no LBS at Jindy so if you don't bring something you are up sheet creek.

bike (with 12-27 cassette and/or compact cranks!)
bike kit - at least two sets including warm winter stuff (I think it snowed one year or at least torrential rain)
helmet
street clothes (jeans, t-shirt etc)
spare tyre
spare tube(s)
chain lube
spare spoke(s) f&r
dish of whatever sort of food to put in for the group dinner (other food is optional as there is a well stocked supermarket at Jindy but it's probably cheaper to buy it in Canberra)
bike specific snacks (Gatorade, GU, muesli bars etc)
pillow
doona/blankets

[Jez]

is there a BBQ?, Fridge space,..or should i bring Esky?

[Ross]

Yes, yes and yes!

[Rocket]

Is anyone planning on a ride on Friday arvo??

[SueP]

We wil be leaving Canberra around 1ish, so might go out for a gentle spin along Barry Way after we have arrived and got sorted....

[Steven]

A heads-up about the weather: BoM forecasts (http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/forecasts/snowy.shtml) only go to Thursday; conditions are looking fine and cool (2 - 16C) but can be quite variable up there so pack appropriately.

I could use a lift for the weekend too, along with bag and bike (optimistic that I can ride). Is anyone leaving from northside towards the evening?

[SueP]

The longer range forecasts are suggesting rain for the weekend up there and cool so make sure you pack the warm clothes and wet weather gear for riding.

[Steven]

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=8010&status=True&catname=Toolbox

Good article Darrel, but I advise participants not to expect a professionally delivered training camp. There won't be professional coaching, and any drills we do will be from our own experience.

If a more comprehensive programme is demanded in future, I'll talk with Milto about how we can approach this. Obviously there would be a cost associated with this.

[j_young_80]

There will however be tack-ons.

[Steven]

Meanwhile, on topic...

[Sam]

Holy moly!!!

14kms of horror.

Just talking to the coach and he's going to hold me back from the first 14km's of this ride. Feels a bit like cheating, missing the main climb then riding the rest of the way, but oh well. Coaches orders must be obeyed!

[Sam]

Well that was an epic fail, the profile didn't come across with the quote. I was referring to the first 14km's of the Tom Groggin ride.

[SueP]

Sam - do you mean the first bit of the climb out of Tom Groggin? The profile may only show one way, but we ride there and back which means we descend to the bottom, then turn around and climb back out (so read the profile for that day from right to left and then back again - the other profile is the right way left to right and then back again). If you don't descend it could be a long long wait for us to go down and come up again.

[Sam]

Ok i'm confused. On the profile it suggests that the first 14km of the ride is the main climb?! This is how Steve read it too. Forgive my ignorance as I don't know the area at all.

[Hoops]

Hey Sam, I've posted the Groggin climb in reverse order. So you actually start from the right hand side.

So if you were skipping the climb you either turn back whilst the rest of us descend and then climb back up it. Or, you'd be waiting around 2 hrs at the top for everyone to finish the climb.

[Sam]

Ah just mapped it out myself and it makes a lot more sense now. The climb is in fact 1/2 through the ride and I'm guessing the base of it is where we turn around? I was slightly bemused when I though the first 14km out of Jindabyne itself was Groggin. Sorry about that. Will talk to Steve again now as it got him too!

[Sam]

Hey Sam, I've posted the Groggin climb in reverse order. So you actually start from the right hand side.

So if you were skipping the climb you either turn back whilst the rest of us descend and then climb back up it. Or, you'd be waiting around 2 hrs at the top for everyone to finish the climb.

Makes sense. Thanks

[Andrew]

I've got space in the crap mobile to take another person + bike + gear. Planning to leave 6:30ish Friday night

It's not the best ride (as Chris & Ben can attest to), but it's there if anyone needs a lift =)

[Oliver]

Yeah I've got the same deal going. I can fit another person, bike + gear and leaving at the same time from the same suburb. Did you want to make a bit of a convoy Andrew?

[Andrew]

Sounds good!

[MatthewL]

Do people usually ride with backpacks for extra warm clothing, rainwear etc - or just stuff as much as possible in jersey pockets??
Any idea on starting time on Saturday? (Negotiations with management resulted in a conditional leave pass being granted subject to management also coming for the weekend, and staying in Thredbo, so I'll have to meet up somewhere/sometime)

[Steven]

POST YOUR SUBURB, kthx :D

Matthew, if you're leaving early Saturday morning perhaps I can hitch with you and the lady...?

[Andrew]

haha, Still in the Inner North Steve?

I can swing by and collect ye

[Oliver]

Ngunnawal!

[Hoops]

Didn't we hit these rides off at about 9am last year?

[j_young_80]

yeah it was usually a very friendly time - we'd often send a slower group out 30 mins earlier.

Better bring a few extra tubes Taylor...or just switch to latex.

[mikeyc]

Last year I brought a whole Baramundi for the BBQ Saturday night, courtesy of a mate who works with Blue Seas in Fyshwick. I'm guessing this would be cool with everyone if I brought one again this year? Steve, do you know forsure we have use of the BBQ again? Sue, I'll make sure the fish is wrapped and sealed properly for transport if you're Ok with this.

[SueP]

Yum!!!!!! big thumbs up from this end.

[j_young_80]

http://swittersb.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/man-carp-a.jpg

(self-explanatory I think....)

[tor.lattimore]

Does anyone have a spare seat/bike space to give me a lift down/back?

[Hoops]

I have space for another passenger but no bike. Unless they have a bike carrrier they can get their hands on to put on my racks.

I will also be leaving at about 3-3:30is at this stage.

[LynV]

Last year I brought a whole Baramundi for the BBQ Saturday night, courtesy of a mate who works with Blue Seas in Fyshwick. I'm guessing this would be cool with everyone if I brought one again this year? Steve, do you know forsure we have use of the BBQ again? Sue, I'll make sure the fish is wrapped and sealed properly for transport if you're Ok with this.

Double yum for the big Barra. We'll be going for a meaty theme with spag bol and salad for Sat night.

[Steven]

Just checking on the bbq situation now.

I'm happy to bring a selection of wine if there's interest.

[Rocket]

All,

I am driving down from Sydney and can swing thru Canberra if people need a lift. I have space and can bring a bike carrier. I will probably be coming thru Canberra around 3'ish. Let me know if that helps anyone needing a lift?

Russell

[Rocket]

I was planning on bringing down a Lasagne for one of the nights.

[tor.lattimore]

Can I pinch that seat Rocket? Unless there's someone else with room to save you a trip through Canberra. I live in Kingston.

[Rocket]

Can I pinch that seat Rocket? Unless there's someone else with room to save you a trip through Canberra. I live in Kingston.

Tor,

np. I will pm you to get you address and mobile number.

[Rocket]

FYI everyone. I have done some hills this morning and have more planned over the next couple of days, so I may have tired legs for the weekend. So if I get dropped on the weekend, that will be the reason. :):):):)

[LynV]

Ah just mapped it out myself and it makes a lot more sense now. The climb is in fact 1/2 through the ride and I'm guessing the base of it is where we turn around? I was slightly bemused when I though the first 14km out of Jindabyne itself was Groggin. Sorry about that. Will talk to Steve again now as it got him too!

Sammy, there is a turnaround at Leatherbarrel Creek, which is halfway down the hill and you miss out the steep and nasty Tom G but still get a good climb - if I'm sensible I should probably turn around there too!

[Steven]

I've got space in the crap mobile to take another person + bike + gear. Planning to leave 6:30ish Friday night

It's not the best ride (as Chris & Ben can attest to), but it's there if anyone needs a lift =)

Done deal - Matthew's leaving too early for me.

I'll bring one of Jamie Young's patented Horseshoe Arse Pillows to ease the journey.

[Vanessa]

Have a wonderful weekend guys - wish I was coming too. Maybe if I put in my leave pass now I could come next year :)

[Ross]

FYI everyone. I have done some hills this morning and have more planned over the next couple of days, so I may have tired legs for the weekend. So if I get dropped on the weekend, that will be the reason. :):):):)

Sounds like you are trying to FOX us with some reverse psychology, Russ! :sneaky2:

[Etienne1989]

i'll bring the fruity lexia :)

[MatthewL]

For those interested:

http://www.weather.com.au/nsw/thredbo-village

[SueP]

hmm - wouldn't believe those temps at Thredbo though - rarely gets that warm!
Stick with the BoM site (9-12 on Saturday).

Best options are layers - base layer thermal next to skin, jersey and vest - warm but easy to strip off and carry if necessary. Will be cold descending so full fingered gloves will be a good idea to pop in your back pocket. For those of you not used to getting out in the mountains cotton is a big no no, if it gets wet (rain or sweat) and it gets cold/windy you will absolutely freeze (apology if I state the obvious but I've been skiing with people who should know better and have ended up with hypothermia)

[Jez]

hey all,...I am currently working away from home at the moment, and have very limited net access,...so as a reminder to anyone needing a lift to Jindy,.... I will be leaving Saturday morning sometime,.... I have at least room for 1 or 2 more,. as i have it at the moment it will only be me and the bike in the car,... so if you needa lift or something else brought up to Jindy let me know via txt on the Mobile,.... Milto has my number,...... I wont have access to PM or the net again until i get home friday night,...

I can also do a shop run ( Friday night) if any other groceries etc need to be brought up on Satuday morning,.... just let me know,..only to happy to help,...

Whats the planned ride time on Saturday morning,..... i will try and make it for that,...


Jez

[mikeyc]

Last year was a pretty casual weekend Jez....the itinerary was plastic and it tended to bend...kinda like the many fresh water rivers found in Jindy...

Food was cooked when we were hungry and had the energy....and we decided what we were eating on the night based on what everyone had brought. Trying to plan to much with this many people has a tendency to fail....Driving seems to be hard enough....

Ride times were generally planned the night before...depending on how everyone was feeling and wanted to wake up. As a guide I'd say if you arrived at the accomodation by 8am Saturday...we'd all still be getting sorted and eating breakfast.

[Steven]

Sounds about right. No pressure for an early roll-away as the daytime temperatures should be mild.

[Steven]

We have the club trailer if we want it.

Do we want it? My view: yes. With it we have first aid kits for the support car, radios for the support car and each bunch (assuming slow and fast bunches), and traffic cones for fun stuff on Sunday. It also gives us more flexibility with bike/bag carriage.

Can we use it? Depends on whether someone has a suitable towing vehicle. I also think it'd be a great thing for us to make a gold-coin donation to the towing driver for the extra petrol it'll burn.

Thoughts? Drivers?

[Etienne1989]

what is the exact address of the place we are staying at?
(i dont know if its on one of the old posts, but i cant be bothered searching through the old posts)

[Steven]

i cant be bothered searching through the old posts

And you expect other people to search the topic for you?

Soft turn, man! :laugh:

[SueP]

We have the club trailer if we want it.

Do we want it? My view: yes. With it we have first aid kits for the support car, radios for the support car and each bunch (assuming slow and fast bunches), and traffic cones for fun stuff on Sunday. It also gives us more flexibility with bike/bag carriage.

Can we use it? Depends on whether someone has a suitable towing vehicle. I also think it'd be a great thing for us to make a gold-coin donation to the towing driver for the extra petrol it'll burn.

Thoughts? Drivers?

Hmm, I'm not so sure we need the trailer - unless there are more bikes than room in cars? First aid kits would be useful. Radio's?? - not sure on the range.

Not sure about multiple support vehicles for multiple bunches thing either - think we might be over organising?? Its really no bigger a ride than a SFP-corin or honeysuckle return and probably just as much traffic. I don't know how it worked last year, but the year before we ended up spread out getting up the mountain. As its an out and back if a group get to the end and its too cold to wait, then they will see the others on the way back anyway.

Don't get me wrong - I think having at least one car on the road is a good idea (we did have someone the year I went) and if we need one and if we have no full-time support drivers I'm willing to do 1/2 or 1/4 a ride (ie drive out and then swap with someone to come back).

[SueP]

http://www.bungarra.com.au/alpha.html
http://www.bungarra.com.au/transport.html

[Steven]

No I was only suggesting one support vehicle, to trail whichever bunch Sam is in. It is a requirement for junior riders, and we do have a dedicated driver from Sam's family.

If we don't need the cargo capacity I'd still like to grab radios and a first aid kit from Stevo's in Chisholm on the way thru. Range on radios may be iffy but its likely better than mobile coverage.

[SueP]

yep, sounds good.

[SueP]

another thing to pack - swimmers - best recovery will be to take a jaunt down to the lake for the old ice bath treatment brrrrrrr......

[Hoops]

Last year was similar to your experience Sue.

We were one bunch for Charlottes until the climb and then everyone went at their own pace as single riders. The decent was the same, people just went at their own pace with no substantial bunches.

Groggin was a bit different whereby we all rode as one group all the way to thredbo (the people who drove to the ski tube waited for the people riding the whole way), had lunch then tackled Groggin together and waited for everyone to finish. Everyone left to their own devices after that. I think i was finally pulling into Bungarra as half the people were on their way back to Canberra.

I don't think the trailer is necessary unless we can't get all the bikes down there. First aid kit is probably a must though.

For support. Last year Dwyer just left an hour or so after the riders and drove to the top of the hills and waited with food and clothes.

[Etienne1989]

http://www.bungarra.com.au/alpha.html
http://www.bungarra.com.au/transport.html

thx, sue

[SueP]

Thats right - Thredbo (I think its thredbo on the way to Tom) ... stopped for coffee and hot cross buns the year before last. And the guy at the bakery gave us a couple of massive buns 'for the road' if I remember correctly.

[Shridevi]

Yeah every year its just been the same as doing a normal ride in canberra and at the track we rode arround it and didnt need cones- it was more fun races than drills. its just another chillaxed weekend with tom groggin thrown in... fun times.

[Jez]

Finally home,....... thank god,... now to wash and pack and go shopping,...so is it worth me shopping here or since most of you are at Jindy,.... worth shopping there where ZI can make upo the short fall with what food has not been bought yet,..????

[Steven]

Yes I'm home too and here to stay. After an agonising osteo session this arv, I'm in quite a bit of pain even with codeine and ice. Back to sleep now

[Avi]

Don't worry about the shopping jez, there is a supermarket here, also good water flow. Are you still coming? -5 points for your team already, so there is a bit of disrepute about the no show this morning. Taylor is getting a bit edgy about his money...

[Steven]

there is a bit of disrepute about the no show this morning

If that comment was aimed at me I suggest you withdraw it immediately.

I can understand why noses might be out of joint that I'm not there, but you're all big boys and girls - and you aren't the one who's been told to stay off the bike or risk back surgery.

[Jez]

i think it was aimed at me,..... i got to the 25 green marker for Jindabyne, and had to turn around,...I have just co0me back from a week with the navy,...and the Squadron i have been out on the ship with called me back,....for a matter which I can't go into,...

so,........ I have just got back to Canberra,...again!,.........not happy jan,.... so dont worry Steven,..its me they are having a dig at,.....

[Steven]

Righto.

[Startrek]

i think it was aimed at me,..... i got to the 25 green marker for Jindabyne, and had to turn around,...I have just co0me back from a week with the navy,...and the Squadron i have been out on the ship with called me back,....for a matter which I can't go into,...

so,........ I have just got back to Canberra,...again!,.........not happy jan,.... so dont worry Steven,..its me they are having a dig at,.....

I thought we share everything ,is a if i tell you i have to kill you moment .
Top secret uhh........

[Jez]

ahhh just Defence related work matters,.. nothing for this forum,.... :) Sorry Leigh,...

[Avi]

Just messing aroud jez, sucks that you couldn't make it.

[Andrew]

Stuff


Hey Steve,
Hope you're alright, doesn't sound so good with the back. Everyone is loving it up here, and all quite thankful for your efforts ;)

[Sam]

Yeah thanks everyone for an awesome weekend! Good fun happy awesome and sometimes painful times, looking forward to next year already! Time for a nap now me thinks...

[bosworth*]

http://twitter.com/mcewenrobbie/status/9866061659

[Etienne1989]

yh, awesome weekend, im really looking forward to next year

[saml]

Excellent weekend.

A huge thankyou to Sam's mum for driving the support car, those who lent warm clothes/wheels/tyres/repair skills/etc, Steve for organising, and anyone else I've forgotten.

Now to think of a way to top Mikey's barra for next year ...

[SueP]

Thanks Steven for organising. Great weekend, really enjoyed the rides and the company... not so sure about that bloody tack-on. Whose idea was that anyway :crazy:

Also thanks to those that were the 'last men/women standing' and did the big kitchen cleanup.

[SueP]

535
Clouds threatening on the way up to Charlottes Pass

536
Putting on the warm clothing at Dead Horse Gap to head down to Tom Groggin

[Rocket]

Thanks to Steve for organising, Anne and Elle for your patience in driving behind us as a support vehicle and protecting us from those impatient drivers on Alpine Way and for everyone else for the great weekend.

[Sam]

I was bored and wondered how Groggin compared to some of the big climbs in Europe. Alpe d'Huez was the obvious one that came to mind so I decided to have a look:

Tom Groggin:
http://www.mapmyride.com/route/au/jindabyne/957126811805337665

Alpe d'Huez:
http://www.mapmyride.com/run/france/grenoble/101252844

[Ross]

Got a Charlottes Pass comparison, Sam?

Does anyone know rough times (their own or KOM/QOM times) for CP and TG?
I didn't take much notice of my times (too busy trying to breathe!) except I think I finished TG at least 15 mins behind Tor! :hail:

[Etienne1989]

Got a Charlottes Pass comparison, Sam?

Does anyone know rough times (their own or KOM/QOM times) for CP and TG?
I didn't take much notice of my times (too busy trying to breathe!) except I think I finished TG at least 15 mins behind Tor! :hail:

i dont know what my time up charlottes was, but i know that i got roughly 1 hour and 5 mins up tom groggin, and that Tor got 59 mins up tom groggin :hail:

[Ross]

So is that time just the climb from TG back to DHG?

[Etienne1989]

yep

[tom]

537 538 539 541 542

[tom]

544 543

[j_young_80]

542

Rossco, Banana in hand. Nom nom nom.

[Shridevi]

this is the score board at the end of the day. yay team gen y appreciation society takes it out by over 100pts. that that was with out making up pity points like lighting ovens and turning on lights.

[Shridevi]

Also, Dog-dog and scorpian made an apperance again this year. i dont know where dog-dog-dog was... his loss.

[Shridevi]

Heres the crew after it started raining at the track... under sealter. Soft.

A few people look a bit diffrent but i think it must of had something to do with the camera being used.

[Ross]

I seem to have misplaced a pair of red Specialized cycling socks, last seen at Jindabyne. If anyone has picked these up I would appreciate their return. They may be in my bedroom somewhere but I had a pretty good look tonight and can't find them, but I did find my race number that I lost a couple of weeks ago so anything is possible!

[dadcram]

The Felt or the Cervelo hid them!